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Russia's Drones, Europe on Edge

From Poland to Germany, Russian incursions are raising alarms. Experts break down the strategy, the risks, and what comes next.
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About the Episode

Russian drones are crossing European skies, testing NATO while US focus shifts elsewhere. Charles Kupchan and Constanze Stelzenmüller unpack Russia’s strategy, the risks for Ukraine, and what it means for the future of the transatlantic alliance. 

About the Experts
Senior Fellow, Council on Foreign Relations
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Charles Kupchan is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and professor of international affairs at Georgetown University in the Walsh School of Foreign Service and Department of Government.
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Director of the Center on the United States and Europe, Brookings
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Constanze Stelzenmüller is an expert on German, European, and trans-Atlantic foreign and security policy and strategy. She is the director of the Center on the United States and Europe and the inaugural holder of the Fritz Stern Chair on Germany and trans-Atlantic Relations at Brookings.
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President & Chief Executive Officer, Chicago Council on Global Affairs
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Dr. Leslie Vinjamuri joined the Council in 2025 as the president and chief executive officer, after previously serving as director of the US and the Americas program at the Royal Institute of International Affairs, known as Chatham House, in London. She brings nearly 30 years of experience working at the intersection of international affairs, research, policy, and public engagement.
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