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Post by Shinytop on Dec 25, 2020 2:00:31 GMT
Ya, we do learn. That's why Trump was defeated by seven million votes.
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Post by jc on Dec 25, 2020 18:36:31 GMT
Ok, got rid of the evil Trump.
We've still got that swamp we didn't like 4 years ago.
So, I guess we'll see how it goes with what '+ seven million votes' replaced him with.
I'll add that, in over 50 years of voting in this country, I've never had such a poor choice in selecting whom I'd like to be President.
These folks are the best the Democratic and Republican Parties can come up with??
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Post by Shinytop on Dec 25, 2020 20:48:32 GMT
I'll add that, in over 50 years of voting in this country, I've never had such a poor choice in selecting whom I'd like to be President.
These folks are the best the Democratic and Republican Parties can come up with??
I don't completely disagree. Although Clinton vs Trump was not the making of greatness either.
Parties nominate for electability, not ability to govern.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 18:41:25 GMT
Because we stopped electing Statesmen and Stateswomen and started electing politicians. Government has become an organized crime syndicate.
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Post by Arc on Dec 30, 2020 18:46:13 GMT
Politics is the lowest form of human endeavor. It shouldn't be, it's not supposed to be, but it is.
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Post by allene on Dec 30, 2020 20:09:17 GMT
So true! It takes an extraordinary person to avoid the temptations that go with being a politician.
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Post by Arc on Jan 4, 2021 21:52:45 GMT
Speaking of politics...
I received my $600 stimulus deposit a couple of days ago. It should have been either $1200, the amount originally promised by both sides of the aisle or the $2000 proposed by a significant number of other politicians. Then politics stepped in and the amount was reduced to $600.
The cut back was protested by millions. However, the push back or the roadblock against raising the insultingly low $600 stimulus payments back to $1200 was that the increase would cost too much.
Those in Congress against that opposed the increase of the second stimulus back to $1200 or even increasing it to $2000 used argument that we can't afford the funds for the proposed greater amounts in a second stimulus check. In many venues or entities that may be sound fiscal philosophy but as far as government spending the argument rings hollow. In truth it is just when politically needed a boilerplate excuse used in Congress to justify actions that are politically motivated. Those actions and motivations are used by every member and both parties in Congress when convenient depending upon whats on the table and the political stakes.
In summary to deny the larger dollar amounts of stimulus funds was a political act not a fiscal one.
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Post by andy on Jan 5, 2021 11:21:40 GMT
Those gender studies programs in Pakistan ain't gonna pay for themselves, ya know.
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Post by allene on Jan 7, 2021 15:53:45 GMT
LOL! Don't forget the drive, right now in our own USA, to remove any terms from speech and writing that aren't gender neutral. Soon, someone is bound to suggest that any reference to "mother" or "father", for example, be retrospectively changed to "parent", etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 16:41:54 GMT
Waiting for Amazon to get the Newspeak dictionary back in stock.
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Post by Arc on Jan 16, 2021 21:34:24 GMT
Ya, no frivolous lawsuits. Notice that many tossed out because number of votes being challenged would not change results. Note that some were tossed because the plaintives gave no evidence of fuaud, just accusations. And tossing for lack of standing is not a loophole, it is a point law that has existed for centuries. Trump haters did not want to take him literally 4 years ago but time showed all too often that just when we thought he could not mean what he said he went ahead and did things really stupid. Here is a summary of lawsuits: abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-2020-trump-campaign-election-lawsuits-stand/story?id=74041748 All that you say is basically true but in the end for most of the cases or situations none of the allegations or claims were adjudicated on the merits of the claims.
President Elect Biden won on the merits because IMO he most definitely got the majority of valid votes, by far. Both electoral and popular. He won clearly and decisively.
Nevertheless, unfortunately there was fraud. Nothing new about that phenomenon. There is and has been fraud in every major US national election ever held. Heck, it is almost like a tradition. LBJ used to brag about voting frauds he profited from. Unfortunately IMO, especially under the new system, fraud will grow.
IMO the real crime is that our voting procedures and the current relatively new system are atrocious and a disgrace. It angers me. The only way they could make it worse is no ballots to the voters, just call them up and ask them who they want their vote to go to of the candidates up for election or reelection.
We should have paper ballots. Those at the voting stations and absentee ballots. There should be a paper tail of evidence of any irregularity. Although no matter what type of system we have there will always be voting fraud of some degree but the best system IMO remains ballots at the voting precincts, absentee ballots and a much tighter time frame. No more going to Jack-in-the-Box at 11 PM and then afterward swing by a couple of weeks before the election and toss your ballot in some larger mail like box, depository, or container.
All the focus on Trump, (a huge amount generated by he and some of his supporters plus Trump haters) after the election deflected from the real issue, the current voting system. The hardcore political anger and hostility infecting politicians, media strong partisanship both ways and the general population has made our elections not elections but a form of war where all is fair in love and war.
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Post by TheMark on Jan 17, 2021 19:39:04 GMT
"Those who cast the votes count for nothing. Those who count the votes count for everything." Stalin
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Post by Arc on Jan 21, 2021 19:58:55 GMT
 I saw a post on this forum stating pretty firmly that Joe Biden was losing his cognitive abilities and was impaired. I am not a doctor so I cannot medically comment. But after 4 years of Trump Biden cannot do worse. But since the mental health of Biden has been questioned I have to say I would love to hear from psychiatric practitioners about Trump's mental condition. Narcissism, paranoia, and being a compulsive liar are the most apparent disorders I suspect he has in triplicate. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ From Arc:The post in question about Biden's cognitive state may have been mind. He definitely overtly manifests signs of mild cognitive impairment which means he is mildly cognitively more in decline then a person of his age. It doesn't mean anything more and doesn't mean that he cannot do his job but it will be a more difficult or challenging and tiring for him. I also notice in his movement that he has a very week gait and balance issues. His posture is good. Unless he has some disease he probably could greatly benefit from some regular light physical workouts with resistance or weight training and workouts other than just a stationary bike.Trump's problems are not cognitive. He actually is pretty functionally sharp there. (We are talking pure neurological cognitive function and not his ideas, personality, character, etc.) His issues are all psychological. The guy has a variety of serious psychological disorders. As a political leader he is worthless and his public persona can frequently be childish and offensive. Matter of fact his behavior just described is unscripted and habitual. Its his standard. It's been so bad for so long it is beyond unusual. He is incapable of delegating or being able to be a supervisory leader. When he does come up with a good idea or policy he by his personal behavior and character flaws or weaknesses goes about initiating or selling many of those ideas in the worst possible way. Consequently they fail and even often alienate people along the way.I was glad when he was elected, (or more accurately I was glad Clinton loss.) For me it was anybody but Clinton. Trump was like well I don't expect much, but how bad can it be given some of our past leaders and anybody would be from my perspective better than H.C. Yes I was glad when he was elected in 2016 and I was glad to see him to be gone in 2021. How bad was he in the areas I criticize him about? He lost the election, Joe didn't win it. Joe just stayed out of sight and talked to few people, did no serious campaigning, avoided questions and interviews from the press and just watched Trump politically meltdown in the three months leading up to the election. He was the first successful presidential candidate that campaigned by just hiding out at his home. (And he got a BIG pass from the media on trying to interview or ask him policy questions.) But his choice to do that as it was the best campaign plan to use. As I said, Trump went from controversial and infuriating to many outside of his strong core supporter base to going completely crazy in reacting or responding and talking when COVID hit hard in March. Trump from march to November "outdid" even himself and lowering his standards. Now because of the above we have a new president. |
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Post by TheMark on Jan 23, 2021 13:41:23 GMT
Nah, Joe Biden is mentally stable. Stable as Charles Manson.
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Post by biker on Feb 8, 2021 1:13:00 GMT
Ya, no frivolous lawsuits. Notice that many tossed out because number of votes being challenged would not change results. Note that some were tossed because the plaintives gave no evidence of fuaud, just accusations. And tossing for lack of standing is not a loophole, it is a point law that has existed for centuries. Trump haters did not want to take him literally 4 years ago but time showed all too often that just when we thought he could not mean what he said he went ahead and did things really stupid. Here is a summary of lawsuits: abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-2020-trump-campaign-election-lawsuits-stand/story?id=74041748 All that you say is basically true but in the end for most of the cases or situations none of the allegations or claims were adjudicated on the merits of the claims.
President Elect Biden won on the merits because IMO he most definitely got the majority of valid votes, by far. Both electoral and popular. He won clearly and decisively.
Nevertheless, unfortunately there was fraud. Nothing new about that phenomenon. There is and has been fraud in every major US national election ever held. Heck, it is almost like a tradition. LBJ used to brag about voting frauds he profited from. Unfortunately IMO, especially under the new system, fraud will grow.
IMO the real crime is that our voting procedures and the current relatively new system are atrocious and a disgrace. It angers me. The only way they could make it worse is no ballots to the voters, just call them up and ask them who they want their vote to go to of the candidates up for election or reelection.
We should have paper ballots. Those at the voting stations and absentee ballots. There should be a paper tail of evidence of any irregularity. Although no matter what type of system we have there will always be voting fraud of some degree but the best system IMO remains ballots at the voting precincts, absentee ballots and a much tighter time frame. No more going to Jack-in-the-Box at 11 PM and then afterward swing by a couple of weeks before the election and toss your ballot in some larger mail like box, depository, or container.
All the focus on Trump, (a huge amount generated by he and some of his supporters plus Trump haters) after the election deflected from the real issue, the current voting system. The hardcore political anger and hostility infecting politicians, media strong partisanship both ways and the general population has made our elections not elections but a form of war where all is fair in love and war.
There is a paper trail, with both paper and electronic ballots. In the case of electronic ballots, your vote appears on the final paper copy which is then audited against the electronic votes at the end of the elections.
Absentee ballots are correlated against the name on the ballot and voting records, and in some cases, the request for the ballot.
Yes, there were minute instances of fraud here and there. But not on a scale that would affect any of the election results.
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